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(Wednesday, June 9 -9:30-10:00 a.m.)

Margo Harbison:

This is concerning the Financial Conditions. We have many members who are going to answer questions. I'm Margo Harbison from East Texas State and I would like to introduce today's panel to you and then Jerry Hughes will make a few comments from the committee and then the meeting is yours. Kay Hart, Jerry Hughes, Charles Harris, Mike McGee and Eve Atkinson.

Jerry Hughes:

We talked about some of these issues Monday afternoon. Charles did an outstanding job on the session earlier in identifying some of the struggles the committee went through. As he went through those, you probably understood that many of the things he was talking about did not apply to Division II. The personnel limitations and a lot of things that have been identified by the committee do not apply to Division II. Division II members on the committee were myself and Asa Green, the president of Livingston University.

The ones that do apply to Division II are the reduction in off-carnpus in-person recruiting contacts and evaluations in football and basketball. Those are going from four to two and being in the high school once per week. The elimination of athletics-specific printed materials would mean you could go ahead and print a press guide, but you could not send that press guide to prospective student-athletes. They can just be given to the media. The only thing that can be sent to the prospective student-athletes would be those items which your Office of Admissions routinely sends to those students seeking your university or being recruited by your university .

Official visit meals on campus would have to be on campus. There are exceptions, obviously, in this recommendation. If your dining rooms are closed or if you don't have dining rooms, are some of the exceptions.

Those were the major ones that effect Division II. There was a lot of discussion on Monday regarding financial aid. I told the Division II membership that the financial aid issue had been referred to the Financial Aid Committee. At this point, we'll answer any questions you might have.

From the Floor:

Will Division II be involved with the Friday night, off-campus housing?

Jerry Hughes:

That was one that we felt that not many Division II institutions did that, but if they did, yes, that would be prohibited.

Eve Atkinson:

We are working with recommendations to the Presidents' Commission. They will be forwarded to them. A direct interpretation will depend on the legislation in a proposal would be approved by legislation how, that legislation would be worded. Your question is difficult to answer because we do not have the exact words of the legislation.

Media guides not being available for either Division lor II should not be available for student-athlete recruits. It would be pennissible to have guides available for the media. That's the philosophy behind it.

How it ends up, whether it's voted on at the next Convention, and how the legislation is worded is yet to be detennined. I think it would be important for people to look at that and if you felt you wanted it for a campus visit for a student-athlete, you would have to put an amendment in for that. But, the NCAA would have to rule if that's more pennissive than what the basic intent of the legislation would be.

Everything is the same as in the NCAA Manual now. These are only recommendations to the Presidents , Commission and then legislation would be voted on by the entire membership. These are ideas. We're still in the think tank stage.

From the Panel:

All of the things the Presidents' Commission buys in on this next month, the council will review in August and legislation will be finalized and voted upon this January .There are some items, as Charles said, that have been referred to other committees and are more long-range like the financial aid that we discussed on Monday. The items that we've identified we will recommend for this year, but they will not go into effect until next year.

Then it would be Kathy and her staff's job to interpret whether you could give one on an official visit or not. Right now, you can still do it.

Charles Harris:

We recommended that we consider some ratio of full-time personnel or full-time equivalencies to the number of sports and number of scholarships. That will not be a legislative proposal coming forward from this committee, but it is certainly one of the other items we talked about.

Eve Atkinson:

I had the distinction of being the sub-committee chair for financial aid and will say that Charles' input and thoughts were very helpful, along with Bob Bowlsby.

In the discussion, what we found was that there wasn't enough data to really make a firm recommendation to the Presidents' Commission. In the surveys that we sent out, Model #3 was the most popular among the overall membership. That's where the tuition and fees and grants would be able to be supplied by the athletic department and the other aid would be based on need. So, your room and board would be based on need. That was the most popular with the overall membership in the surveys that went out.

Basically, we found that we could not find data on non-filers. That was the real problem. We also looked back to when Peter Likens from LeHigh made a recommendation. How that fell short was there was not enough data or statistics to really back up the theory .The theory, everybody thinks is correct, yet it will save money, but you really need concrete data. The committee felt that the data should be gathered first. That is what we are recommending. Then, for future NCAA Conventions, that legislation be brought forward, so that when that legislation is brought forward, it can be successful with the membership.

From the Panel:

If I could add, one of the other situations we explored in that area was the consistency of evaluation of need that would be representative of what it meant on your campus the same as what it would mean on another campus. One of the realities that hit us that, possibly in the future, in order to provide the security that everyone's need is being evaluated in a similar fashion without that allowable discretionary area that some of our financial aid officers have, is the reality that we might be looking at another clearing house concept for need-based assessment.

Charles Harris:

The issues related to financial aid, issues related to gender equity and issues related to financial conditions, the three kinds of reports that you heard some sort of briefing on this morning, will be action items in the next two or three conventions.